Society of
Children's Book Writers
and Illustrators

Illinois Networks

NETWORKS offer easy, handy access to programs, writing groups, networking opportunities and other interested (and interesting!) writers and illustrators. Check below for your particular NETWORKS’ time, location and Shop Talk.

Networks are free and open to all. You many attend any Network at any time, not just the one in your area.

Interested in starting a NETWORKS group in your area? Contact NETWORKS
Coordinator, Alice McGinty (

Spring 2018

(Updated 03/2018)


Illustrators’ Networks

Chicago-area Illustrators’ Network


Janet McDonnell 847-632-1918 
Rich Green 815-341-0925

Monthly Meeting: The Illustrators Network meets once a month at the Des Plaines Library, 1501 Ellinwood, Des Plaines, IL, from 9:30 until noon.  If time permits, we reserve the last part of the meeting to critique members’ current works-in-progress or portfolio reviews.

SCBWI member illustrators, make sure you are on the illustrator yahoogroups listserv for updates….or contact Janet McDonnell at the email address shown here to be added.

Monthly Meetings: The Illustrators Network meets once a month at the Des Plaines Library, 1501 Ellinwood, Des Plaines, IL, from 9:30 until noon. We reserve time at the end of each meeting for critiques and to share new favorite books we’ve discovered.

SCBWI member illustrators, make sure you are on the illustrator yahoogroups listserv for updates….or contact Janet McDonnell at the email address shown here to be added.

April 07: These Are a Few of My Favorite Things

Have a favorite new ink pen, brush, watercolor paper, or digital tool? Come share your find with your illustrator pals! After we’ve discussed our favorite tools of the trade, we’ll share favorite picture books we’ve discovered. Finally, we’ll share our “Meet the Artist” self-portraits that were “assigned” at the March meeting. Sharing is good!

May 19: Sourcebooks Art Director John Aardema  PLEASE NOTE NEW DATE

Come get a glimpse behind the curtain as John explains how he finds illustrators, what makes an art sample stand out, and how to get on an Art Director’s good side. Time permitting, John will also give brief feedback on one art sample from each attendee.

The Illustrators’ Network takes a summer hiatus from June through August, but stayed tuned for information about potential field trips!


Downstate Illustrators’ Network

Louann Brown 217-839-3264 (
Jerry Barrett 217/621-1369 (

Shop Talk & Critiques. Optional lunch afterward at a nearby location:

QUARTERLY MEETINGS:   This Network meets at various locations throughout the mid-central area.  We maintain a Facebook page (Downstate Illinois SCBWI Illustrators) for critiques and information sharing between meetings. If you’d like to join us, send us a request via Facebook or email one of the network reps. At our meetings we typically discuss markets, critique work and share our journey. Everyone is welcome.

Sat. March 10. 9a – noon.  Wildflour Artisan Bakery & Cafe, 256 W. Main Decatur. Shop Talk. Critiques. Planning for 2018 meetings. For more information, contact Louann Brown, newlou2008  (at)

Diversity Network

Diversity Network

Susanne Fairfax 312-543-3056 (
Urania Smith (

Thursday April 26,2018
6:30-8:30 pm

Sanctuary Café
5655 S. University
Chicago, IL 60637
Wheelchair accessible via the 57th st entrance.

Critique Night – receive & give thoughtful feedback on works in progress – writing or illustrations. If you want feedback on a manuscript or illustrations, RSVP and send a message with your email address to Susanne or Urania. People will exchange writing excerpts for review in advance. 

The café will be open to just our group. Instead of bringing snacks to share, food and beverages are available for purchase from the café.

About our Diversity Network…

Every month, FREE, non-members welcome. If anyone needs additional ADA support such as sign language interpreter or other resources, please email  Susanne Fairfax in advance.

Diversity Network Meetings create a space where writers and illustrators who’ve traditionally been left at the margins in children’s publishing can get together.

At these meetings we’ll build community, share stories of hurdles and successes, work to dismantle barriers, improve diversity and inclusion in children’s literature and SCBWI-IL, work on our craft and further our writing and/or illustrating careers. And there will often be snacks. Feel free to bring a tasty treat to share.

Our focus on diversity springs from the #WeNeedDiverseBooks movement:

We recognize all diverse experiences, including (but not limited to) LGBTQIA, Native, people of color, gender diversity, people with disabilities, and ethnic, cultural, and religious minorities.

Because of the breadth of this focus, we will be particularly conscious of the intersectionality of oppressions and identities. Allies are welcome. (An ally is a person who supports, empowers, or stands up for another person or a group of people.) 

“If you have come here to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together.”

– Aboriginal activists group, Queensland, 1970s

Writers’ Networks

Chicago Network


Jane Hertenstein (773) 303-4089 (
Savy Leiser (


Thursday, March 15, 6:15 pm – 7:30 pm

Special SCBWI Tour of American Writers Museum (Downtown)

Come join us for a guided tour of Chicago’s newest museum dedicated to American writers. The AWM is located at 180 N. Michigan. Currently the museum is offering an exhibit about Laura Ingalls Wilder. There is also a special Children’s Author Storytime featuring children’s authors and illustrators and a Children’s Literature Gallery. There is a GROUP admission fee of $9. It is important to RSVP for this program.



Thursday, April 5, 7 – 9 pm

Working with Small Presses: Bigger Isn’t Always Better With Carmela Martino

Wilson Abbey, 939 W. Wilson, ENTER THROUGH WEST DOOR

Authors and illustrators typically dream of being published by an imprint of one of the “Big 5” trade publishers. But these imprints tend to accept only agented submissions, and even those that accept unsolicited can be excruciatingly slow to respond. As a result, many authors and illustrators are turning to small presses. Naperville author and writing teacher Carmela Martino interviewed three award-winning authors about their experiences with small presses for the 2018 Children’s Writer’s and Illustrator’s Market. In this Network presentation, Carmela will share some of the highlights from that interview and discuss her own experiences publishing her new young-adult novel, Playing by Heart, with the small press Vinspire Publishing.


Street pay parking available out front


Thursday, May 3, 7 – 9 pm
Living by your Inner Compass: How to ignore the negative voices and move on with the revision process

With Crystal Chan, Allan Woodrow, and Eileen Meyer

Wilson Abbey, 939 W. Wilson, ENTER THROUGH WEST DOOR

What happens when your manuscript gets trashed—yet you see the golden threads? How do you continue to work the revision process? Many times there are setbacks: publishing deals that fall through, losing an editor, an agent. These award-winning authors have experienced the highs and lows and yet persevered.

Crystal Chan is the author of Bird (Simon & Schuster, 2014) a finalist for Society of Midland Authors and winner of the Wisconsin Library Association Burr/Worzalla Award. Here newest title is All That I Can Fix (Simon & Schuster) due to release June 2018.

Allan Woodrow is the author of 3,166 books—but only a few of those have been published. Allan writes witty middle grade fiction. His newest middle grade-novel, Unschooled (Scholastic), came out Fall 2017. A companion title will appear Fall 2018.

Eileen will describe the lengthy process of submitting the rhyming The Superlative A. Lincoln (Charlesbridge) coming Fall 2019. She researched the book in 2013 then brought an excerpt to the LA Conference in 2015 where it ended up being awarded the MOST

PROMISING PICTURE BOOK. Slowly she attracted agent and editor attention.

Street pay parking available out front


Hyde Park Network

Kate Hannigan  (


Penetrating the Publishing Forcefield: How Five Picture Book Authors/Illustrators Transformed Their Clever Ideas Into Beautiful Books

SCBWI’s Hyde Park/South Side Network invites you to join five celebrated authors and illustrators for a lively panel discussion on how they caught an editor’s eye, how they landed an agent, what the editing process was like, how they promote their books, where they find ideas for books, what their creative process looks like, and what happens next.

When: Noon-1:30 p.m. Saturday, May 5th
Where: 57th Street Books, 1301 E. 57th Street, Chicago 60637
Jacqueline Alcántara: THE FIELD (North South Books)
Carol Brendler: THE PICKWICKS’ PICNIC: A Counting Adventure, THE TWO MUTCH SISTERS (both Clarion)
Pat Zietlow Miller: BE KIND (Roaring Brook), SOPHIE’S SQUASH (Schwartz & Wade), WHEREVER YOU GO (Little, Brown)
Patricia Toht: ALL ABOARD THE LONDON BUS (Frances Lincoln Children’s Bks), PICK A PINE TREE (Candlewick)
Natalie Ziarnik: A LULLABY OF SUMMER THINGS (Schwartz & Wade)  

Come for the learning, stay for the brownies.

Please RSVP to so we can get a proper headcount.


Summer-Reading Spectacular: 5 Middle-Grade Authors Unlock the Secrets to How They Wrote Their New Books!

Join SCBWI’s Hyde Park/South Side Network for a panel discussion as we kick off summer reading with these celebrated middle-grade authors, who will reveal the secrets to writing for this coveted audience, how they tackle plotting a series, how they make their characters so memorable, how they nailed down “voice,” what it took to catch an editor’s eye, and how they’re getting their books into readers’ hands.

When: 6:30-8 p.m. Thursday, June 28th
Where: 57th Street Books, 1301 East 57th Street, Chicago 60637
Lisa Jenn Bigelow: DRUM ROLL, PLEASE (HarperCollins)
Brianna DuMont: THRILLING THIEVES: Liars, Cheats, and Cons Who Changed History (The Changed History Series); FANTASTIC FUGITIVES; FAMOUS PHONIES (Sky Pony Press)
Mary Winn Heider:  THE MORTIFICATION OF FOVEA MUNSON (Disney-Hyperion)
J.S. Puller: CAPTAIN SUPERLATIVE (Disney-Hyperion)
Liesl Shurtliff: GRUMP: The (Fairly) True Tale of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves; RUMP; JACK; RED (Knopf)

Please RSVP to so we can get a proper headcount.

Come for the wisdom, stay for the brownies!

Chicago’s Southland Network


Jim Danielson 708-596-4479 (
Linda Dryfhout (

For more information and current shop talk topics, visit the Chicago Southland blog at

Shop Talks: 
Second Thursday of every month.  Evening Talk Only: 7 P.M., Barnes and Noble, 105 Orland Park Place, LaGrange Rd. (Rte. 45) & 153rd St. in Orland Park.

Northern Suburbs

Cook County (North Suburban Network)


Carolyn Crimi (
Anny Rusk (

Shop Talk:
Second Wednesday of each month, from 7-8:30 p.m.


Wed. March 14th 7-8:30p

The Book Market
2651 Navy Blvd

What Do I Do When I Want to Write an Issues Picture Book?  With Annie Nybo and Eliza Swift

Have you ever wanted to help kids who feel angry? Or what to tell a kid whose parent is in jail? Should you do a straight up educational book? How do you hide a message in a story? How do you keep it from being…too didactic? The editors from Albert Whitman are here to help!

An example of issue books would be anything from Far Apart, Close in Heart to JP and the Spotted Octopus. We mean books that explain a complicated subject to kids: what it means when families are homeless (Still a Family), how to speak out about sexual abuse (Not in Room 204), or how to cope with death and grieving (One Wave at a Time), or lighter books that celebrate certain aspects of issues or explain an in issue in context of a story like: acceptance (A Church for All), being trans (Bunnybear), or self-soothing from a bad mood (Grumpy Pants).

There will be plenty of time for Q&A afterwards. Annie and Eliza promise to answer all questions to the best of their abilities.

And as always, eat, drink, and be merry at Curragh’s afterwards for those who want to join. (FYI: I won’t be able to attend this amazing event to my chagrin, but the Golden Kite Queen, Carolyn Crimi, will be your hostess for the evening.)


Wed April April 11th

The Book Market
2651 Navy Blvd


Kate’s talk will be a two-fer! With Part 1, she will address “Finding Humor in Rejection,” something that happens to all of us, no matter the level we’re at. We just have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, poke a few pins in our voodoo dolls, and move on. With Part 2, Kate will talk about “The Joys of Research!” As authors for children, we’re held to a high standard to get the facts right. Whether we write fiction or nonfiction, it’s important to understand the period and events we’re featuring in our stories. Kate will talk about ways to immerse ourselves in our research, from primary sources to museum visits to music of the era.


Kate Hannigan writes fiction and nonfiction from her home on Chicago’s South Side, in Hyde Park. A former newspaper journalist, she’s always been a nosy eavesdropper, curious about real people doing remarkable things. Her historical fiction THE DETECTIVE’S ASSISTANT (Little, Brown) was inspired by America’s first woman detective and received the Golden Kite Award for best middle-grade, and her latest book, the picture book biography A LADY HAS THE FLOOR (January, Boyds Mills Press) received four starred reviews and was named a Junior Library Guild Selection. Visit Kate online at

Join us for our monthly eat, drink, and be literary at Curragh’s just down the street after the event. (I think I convinced Kate to join us.)

Wed. May 9th

The Book Market
2651 Navy Blvd


Picture book writers are invited to bring and read their manuscripts for feedback from SCBWI Illustrator Network artists Jacqueline Alcántara, Cedric Gliane, and Leslie Johns.

We’ll touch on scene changes, page turns, pacing, character development,story arc, and visual variety in regard to your stories!


We’ll get through as many manuscripts as we can. Starting from the top of the list, i.e. first come, first slot etc.
Jacqueline Alcántara is an illustrator based in Chicago. She was the inaugural illustrator mentee for 2016 We Need Diverse Books Campaign Mentorship Award and is excited to be working to promote inclusiveness and diversity in children’s literature and the illustration field. Her first published picture book releases March 2018 with North South Books, titled “The Field”(written by Baptiste Paul). Rep’d by Full Circle Literary. Find out more about her at
Cedric Gliane: My storytelling journey began in the Philippines where I often joke to my kids that as a boy my only toys were dirt and a stick. My first drawings were literally stick figures drawn on the ground. Fortunately, my family immigrated to Chicago where I moved up to crayons, colored pencils and paper notebooks. I now live in Wilmette where I bring traditional techniques into the digital illustrations and paintings I create on my computer using a Cíntiq tablet and stylus pen.

I am currently working on two picture books. Nola is a girl who finds herself in New Orleans. Filip is a displaced hippo who discovers he always measures up. I am a Web Developer at UpShift Creative Group and I am the volunteer Webmaster for Prairie Wind.

Leslie Claire Johns became an artist by drawing in her car every morning for 6 years – in the parking lot of her job where she worked as an office manager.

She believes art enables people/children to connect with their emotions. She endeavors to encourage that connection of the lighthearted emotions through her watercolor illustrations. She has been a member of SCBWI for 3 years. You can find her illustrations at:

Far Northern Suburbs

Far North Suburban Network

Erica Weisz (
Kim Oclon (


Join us on the 1st Wednesday of every month from 7-9pm

David Adler Music and Arts Center (unless noted otherwise)
1700 N Milwaukee Ave, Libertyville, IL 60048

March- Query How-to

You’ve written your book. You’ve revised it, workshopped it, had others read it and you are finally ready to query! But what does that mean? What does that look like? We will provide you with a basic structure for query letters as we attempt to write our own and get some feedback from one another as well as literary agent Tina Schwartz.


April- Critiques

If you’d like to share something with the group, please bring about eight copies of your work. No more than five pages, double-spaced.


May- Writing from OM

Have you ever sat down to write but found it hard to decompress and get going?Local author Jenny Meyerhoff will teach us how to use yoga breathing techniques and basic poses in order to get ready to write.

Far Northwest Suburbs

Far Northwest Suburban Network


Veronica Rundell (
Katie Sparks (

Open Critique
Third Wednesday of each month, 7 – 9 p.m. in the cafe of Barnes & Noble, 590 W. Golf Road, Schaumburg. All meetings are open critiques with the last half hour dedicated to answering any new writer questions.

Dundee Area Network


Jennifer Wagh (
Jennifer Kaap  (

Shop Talk/Critique Session
Second Wednesday of the month 7-9 p.m., unless otherwise noted.
Barnes and Noble (at Spring Hill Mall), 1444 Springhill Mall Blvd. West Dundee, 60118

Western Suburbs

Oak Park and Near West Suburban Network


Sarah Hammond (
Karen Walker Ward (
Sallie Wolf (

Programs: Oak Park  Main Library
Main OP Library, 834 Lake Street, Oak Park, IL 60301, 708-383-8200


March 8—Special Critique Night and prep for Spring Thaw—Oak Park Main Library, Second Floor Book Discussion Room.

March is a busy month with several opportunities for submissions. The SCBWI WIP grants are due between Mar. 1-31. Our March 8 meeting is the perfect time to get constructive feedback, polish your submission, and get it in. The Work In Progress grants include opportunities for Picture Book Text; Chapter Books/Early Readers; Middle Grade; Young Adult Fiction; Nonfiction; and Multicultural Fiction or Nonfiction. You must be a current SCBWI member when you submit your work and you may not submit work that is already under contract. Check the SCBWI website for specifics, FAQ, and submission guidelines.

Spring Thaw Registration begins Feb. 17 at noon. Within 24 hours of your registration you must submit up to 3 loglines and first pages of works which you will have the opportunity to pitch to one agent or editor. The Spring Thaw organizers use these log lines to match you to an editor or agent, but there is no reason not to improve and practice your pitches before the actual event. Our March 8 Critique Night is a great time to try out your log lines and your first pages. You can revise and perfect these pitch tools before the Spring Thaw event. So polish those mss, prepare your WIP submissions, prep your log lines and come to the critique to get helpful feedback in a timely fashion.

April 12—Critique night—Oak Park Main Library, Second Floor Book Discussion Room. Manuscripts, art, or submission materials (queries, proposals, cover letters) will be thoughtfully and respectfully considered. Time will be apportioned evenly among participants. If we have more than 10 people with work to share, we will consider the first 10 to arrive and reserve a spot for any others for the next. critique. 2-3 copies to pass around is helpful and not required. Even if you do not have work to share, you can learn a lot by hearing others’ work and weighing in with your thoughts.

May 10 — Story Workshop — Oak Park Main Library, Third Floor Conference Room.

Join Shawn Shiflett, novelist and professor at the Creative Writing Department at Columbia College, for an evening of writing craft using the Story Workshop method.

The Story Workshop® approach to the teaching of writing was originated in 1965 by John Schultz.  It draws upon natural, democratic story-telling capabilities and skills and engages multiple learning styles by emphasizing the development of each writer’s voice, and gives full permission for every writer to bring his or her own cultural, linguistic, racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic background onto the page. Whether you are writing for adults or children, the exercises and class activities used will enhance your creative, problem-solving process.

Shawn Shiflett is the author of the novel Hidden Place, included by Library Journal in “Summer Highs, Fall Firsts,” a 2004 list of most successful debuts. He received an Illinois Arts Council Fellowship for his work and was a three-time Finalist for the James novel-in-progress contest, sponsored by the Heekin Group Foundation. New City Newspaper elected Shiflett to their Chicago Lit 50 list, an annual ranking of top figures in the Chicago Literary scene. His essay, “The Importance of Reading to Your Writing” was published in the UK in 2013. His recently published novel, Hey, Liberal! has received acclaim from BooklistThe Chicago TribuneKirkus ReviewNewcity LitWindy City Review, Mary Mitchell (Chicago Sun-Times), Rick Kogan (WGN Radio), and others. Author website:

June 7—critique night— Manuscripts, art, or submission materials (queries, proposals, cover letters) will be thoughtfully and respectfully considered. Time will be apportioned evenly among participants. If we have more than 10 people with work to share, we will consider the first 10 to arrive and reserve a spot for any others for the next. critique. 2-3 copies to pass around is helpful and not required. Even if you do not have work to share, you can learn a lot by hearing others’ work and weighing in with your thoughts.

The Oak Park/near west Network will take a vacation during the summer. Be sure to join us September 13 to write your essay, What I did on my Summer Vacation, and to reconnect with our network.

The Oak Park/near west Network will take a vacation during the summer. Be sure to join us September 13  to write your essay, What I did on my Summer Vacation, and to reconnect with our network.

LaGrange – Naperville Network


Fran Sammis (
Cathy Velasco,

Quarterly Meeting: 

10 a.m. to Noon, Saturday, April 7, Westmont Public Library, 428 N Cass Ave, Westmont. Join us to hear Author Crystal Chan talk about her seven-year journey to her newest book, ALL THAT I CAN FIX. In her talk, Writing to Your Inner Compass,  she will share what she had to do to get the book published. She lost her agent and publisher – they both thought that it was too dark/too cynical, and too unlike her last book, BIRD. They wanted another BIRD, but her my heart lay with this novel, come what may. She will talk about what it’s like to walk away from a contract in order to stay true to her artistic integrity.

She will talk about what it’s like to get negative feedback from some pretty high-up people and still keep plugging. How not to let the inner compass get thrown off track by externals. And about how to discern what feedback to incorporate and what to let go.

Geneva Network


Janet Riehecky 847-695-9781 (
Cheryl App (

Shop Talks:
First Wednesday & fourth Tuesday of each month, 7:00 p.m.
Barnes and Noble, 102 Commons Drive, near Randall Road, Geneva

Northern Illinois

Freeport/Rockford Area Network


Leone Anderson 815-947-2780 (
Debbie Deutsch 815-235-8899 (

Critique Session/Shop Talks:

Fourth Saturday of each month
Freeport Public Library 10-12 p.m.

Please contact Lee or Debbie to verify dates/locations.

DeKalb Area Network


Larry Vint (

Shop Talk & Critique Session:

Last Wednesday of the month, January through October, 5:30 – 7:30 p.m. in the Children’s Storytime and Craft Room of the DeKalb Public Library, 309 Oak Street, DeKalb, IL 60115

Central Illinois

Central Illinois (Champaign-Urbana) Network

Elaine Bearden  (
Deb Aronson  (

Programs and Shop Talks:

Stay tuned for upcoming programming

Bloomington/Normal Network (Near-Normal Writer’s Group)


Dawn Malone (

The Bloomington/Normal Network meets regularly on the first Thursday evening of the month, at 6:30 p.m. at The Coffeehouse & Deli, Beaufort Street, Normal. Contact Reps for more information.


March 1: Manuscript Critique Swap, 6:30 p.m. at the home of Laurie Swindler, 807 Normal Ave., Normal. Light refreshments will be served. Contact Dawn Malone ( for submission details prior to the meeting.

April 5: Favorite Craft Books and March Writing Prompt Readings, 6:30 p.m. in the classroom at Green Top Grocery, 921 E. Washington, Bloomington.  Bring your favorite writing craft-related book to share with the group. We’ll also be reading from work inspired by the March writing prompt.

May 3: Program TBA. 6:30 p.m. at The Coffeehouse and Deli, 114 E. Beaufort St., Normal.

Springfield Area Network

The Scribes

Debra Daugherty (

Upcoming Programs:

Monday, March, 5, 2018

Meeting at Chatham Library, 200 E. Spruce, Chatham, IL 62629

Time: 5:30 PM – 7:30 PM (5:30 – 6:00 is social time. Meeting starts at 6:00.)

Program on revisions by guest author, Alexandria LaFaye. “Here’s How I See It: Opening a Writer’s Eyes to the Possibilities Within Revision.” Members are asked to bring the first page to one of their manuscripts. If there’s time, we will also do critiques – bring pages

All are welcome to join us.

Monday, April 2, 2018

Meeting at Chatham Library, 200 E. Spruce, Chatham, IL 62629

Time: 5:30 PM – 7:30 PM (5:30 – 6:00 is social time. Meeting starts at 6:00.)

Juli Caveny will be presenting a program about agents, questions to ask an agent when offered representation, and what’s in an agent’s contract. (This program had been scheduled in 2017, but had to be postponed.)

After Juli’s program we will do critiques, so bring pages. If Juli’s unable to do this program, we will start off with a Question and Answer Forum pertaining to our writing.

All are welcome to join us.

Monday, May 7, 2018

Meeting at Chatham Library, 200 E. Spruce, Chatham, IL 62629

Time: 5:30 PM – 7:30 PM (5:30 – 6:00 is social time. Meeting starts at 6:00.)

Member and Indie author of THE WITCH’S THRONE, Stacey Anderson Laatsch will discuss her publication process. After Stacey’s program we will do critiques, so bring pages.

Homework: Bring in your author Media kit to share. (If your book is not published, this will be good practice.) This should include your contact info, bio and photo, social media links, (links to your blog or website, author Facebook page, twitter, etc.) press release, if available, book cover, book excerpt, interviews, etc.

All are welcome to join us!

Questions or for directions, contact Debra Daugherty at

Southern Illinois

Edwardsville Network

Paul (Geoff) Rutledge (
Chris Cannon  (

Monthly Critique Meeting:
Usually 3rd Wednesday of the month. Contact reps for meeting place and time.

Fairview Heights Network

Leia Johnson (
Katie Otey (

Monthly Critique Meeting:
Usually 3rd Wednesday of the month. Contact reps for meeting place and time.